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Stuffysays's avatar

Well said, Frederick. I agree. It's not for us to take sides, not over Israel or over Ukraine. We are not involved. We cannot change anything. We are small and insignificant now. We can suggest maybe there are peaceful solutions but we can no longer expect to be listened to. Our glory days, so to speak, are long gone. As for the multi-cultural diverse country we live in - I weep for what it once was and no longer is and for what it has become. But all things will pass, including us.

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Susie AH's avatar

I cannot pick a side between Israel and Palestine either and I refuse to, because it is too complicated for me to understand. However I do take against the USA, not the people of course but the government. Or more accurately those who make money and power out of war. History tells me that we do as we are told and it’s about time we grew up. I can’t stand their hypocrisy any longer.

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The Stump's avatar

Good evening. I'm a bit behind the curve but like the overabundance of information you referred to, I have signed up for so many writers I can get overwhelmed sometimes.

Well said about the growing insignificance of the UK. I find it interesting that we still hold the position we do and could easily disappear down yet another rabbit hole as to why that might be.

The Hamas / Israeli atrocities affected me emotionally far more than I would have expected (which does not reflect well on my general demeanor, I must confess). There are plenty of analyses out there and some valid points for both sides. However, my overarching feeling is, what did Hamas expect would happen as a result of their actions? They knew there would be a price to pay and as usual it is the poor bystanders who take the major hit. I would suggest they have as much concern for their people as do the current incumbents of our parliament. And although the topics are not the same, people wielding power target the next generation to be indoctrinated into their version of reality. What hope for a peaceful resolution when the kids are taught to keep hating. What has disappointed me is the over simplistic dopes who hold up banners with no real intelligence as to the complexities of any given situation and the supine response of our boys in blue to the antics of certain expatriot middle easterners. I can see nothing good coming out of this and I find myself overwhelmed sometimes by the sadness of it all.

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Frederick Edward's avatar

I agree with the sense of sadness and of being overwhelmed. There is no good resolution to this, and each act will be played out upon our streets. As to what Hamas expected, I am sure that Israel's aggressive footing is entirely what they anticipated. I can't help feel that it is the pushing of a domino that will see the world change irrevocably, with the West finally realising its relative impotence in global affairs.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Another well balanced and interesting article from Frederick.

He is right.

Our leadership elite are only too happy to deflect from the real damage going on within the UK. The Hamas-Israel attack throws up the sole brutal purpose of Hamas (it's not only to 'clear out' Israel but anyone not on their 'side') but also the way the violence of this complex dispute has been imported to the streets of many cities.

These citizens who call for death and violence on the streets of the UK do not appear to understand free speech. Rather, it reflects the crudity of the politics in a land far, far away. Each person who calls for 'death' should face a question - prosecution or deportation? Time for the Elite to wake up.

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Frederick Edward's avatar

I am not sure the elite will ever wake up. I do wonder, however, what will happen in the immediate future and its impact on the average Briton. On Remembrance Day there is to be a 'million person march' in London. Would they interrupt events at the Cenotaph? Nothing is off the cards now. Were they to do so it would be a massive signal of the changes underway. I still don't think anyone would react, however.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

That's interesting. With the blessing of TfL Mayor Khan, the Cenotaph has been used a few times in the past weeks for 'worship' and protest. If the threat of this march is real it will establish the minority seeks to rule the majority based on culture imported from far away with no regard, respect or acknowledgement of our culture. They joined us, not the other way around.

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